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Electoral College
vs. National Popular Vote (NPV)
The Founder's answer in preventing tyrannical mob rule.
January 7, 1789, American citizens voted in the first presidential election, choosing the electors who would go on to elect George Washington to be the nation's first president under the new Constitution.
"It is always confusing to me when someone writes to complain that the Electoral College doesn't align with the 'popular vote,' as if this wasn't the entire point of the enterprise. If the two always harmonized, we wouldn't need it." —David Harsanyi
The wisdom of the Founders in treating each state equally and fairly. Something you would think liberals would promote. Is California more equal than South Dakota? NPV is an attempt to make the Presidential Elections unfair between states.
The Electoral College developed at the Constitutional Convention of 1787, was a compromise among plans for a national popular. The Electoral College acts as a State check on Federal power and mob rule, protecting smaller States ensuring Liberty and justice for all Americans, the premise of the U.S. Constitution.
Alexander Hamilton speaking of the Electoral College: “If the manner of it be not perfect, it is at least excellent.”
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The Electoral College Represents a Constitutional Republic, not a tyrannical "pure" Democracy of bullying that the "National Popular Vote" advocates, where only every California vote counts more than any other vote from almost half the rest of the country. (See "A Republic, not a Democracy.")
See also: Save Our States defends our state-by-state presidential election process—the Electoral College—as an essential part of our constitutional system of states and a protection of our freedom.
Contents
Reason & Value of the Electoral College
Why the "National Popular Vote" (NPV) Violates Equal Statehood
How the Electoral College prevents Tyranny of the Majority
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Reason
& Value of the Electoral College
What is “undemocratic” is an agreement that means that even if every single voter in a state voted against a presidential candidate who won the national popular vote, the state would still have to give all its electoral votes to that candidate. --Hans von Spakovsky
The Enduring Value of the Electoral College - By Jeff Jacoby ...In some democracies, such as France, Brazil, or Ghana, the head of state is elected directly by the people. That has never been the system in the United States. At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, the framers debated at length the question of how presidents should be chosen. In the end they rejected the idea of electing presidents in a single national plebiscite. They settled, rather, on a federal plan — one in which Americans would come together to choose a president (and vice president), but would do so as citizens of their respective states. That compromise reflected America’s fundamental identity not as a single broad mass of people, but as a union of individual states, each with its own social, political, and cultural character. Massachusetts, Montana, and Mississippi are very different entities. The Electoral College system ensures that those differences are respected, while guaranteeing the right of all adult citizens to participate in the vote. Like anything manmade, the Electoral College has its drawbacks, which its foes loudly bewail. But give those drawbacks a closer look, and they turn out to be fairly insubstantial.
- By Paul Strand - ...The Birth of the Electoral College Back in the 18th century, after winning a war for their independence, colonists weren't about to surrender their newly-won power and freedom. It's important to remember when America was being formed, it was basically 13 sovereign entities having to agree to come together to form a nation, and each one of those entities had to be respected to win their acquiescence. Those cursing the creators of the Electoral College should remember the tough sales job the Founders had. "They forget that these Founders had to get agreement of all the states to form this union, and part of that agreement was how we came up with a system to elect people," frequent political commentator Rich Kelsey told CBN News. This system makes a presidential candidate have to win the states, not just individual voters. That ensures less-populated states have a voice.
By: Sarah Cowgill - The Electoral College is one of America’s top political discussion topics, as well as how we pick our president every four years, yet it still isn’t very well understood by many. What is the Electoral College, and why do we even have it? During the Constitutional Convention in 1787, one of the most critical issues our Founding Fathers wanted to settle was how to pick the president. Many wanted a straight popular vote. However, others were worried that this would give too much power to states with big cities, like New York. This would mean states with fewer people wouldn’t really get a say in it.
According to the U.S. Constitution, every four years the president and vice president are chosen by a group of electors, collectively called the Electoral College. The Constitution says electors can’t be anyone in a federal office, but otherwise leaves it up to the individual states to regulate. Today, there are 538 electors. That’s one for each member of the House of Representatives, one for each Senator, and three for the District of Columbia.
How Electors Are Selected: Every state appoints its electors according to its own laws. Most state parties select their number of electors at the county, district, or state conventions. On Election Day, whoever wins the popular vote in the state typically gets all electors. But results are not certified until the electors meet on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December.
Faithless Electors: The process of electing the president is usually smooth and transparent – but there have been exceptions. In some cases, electors go against the popular vote result in their state and vote for whoever they want. But electors don’t break faith often. When they do, they usually don’t vote for the other leading candidate. Instead, it’s usually to make a political statement. ...In 2020, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled states do have the constitutional power to force electors to vote along with their popular vote. And although every state can prevent faithless electors, they are not required to do so.
Video: Is the Electoral College at Odds With the Constitution?
— Matt Christiansen rebuts Chris Hayes for an absurd argument against American government.Jordan Sekulow ACLJ Executive Director: From Bald Beagle, an educational channel for kids. “What Is the Electoral College?” This fun kids’ video is meant to simplify this Electoral College thing they’ll be hearing about over the next week. As we’ve seen in the media, even adults could use this refresher on how our Constitution sets up electing the President. Within hours, extreme Leftists and atheists began attacking the video and the ACLJ for “brainwashing” kids with conservative propaganda. Bald Beagle is our brand-new channel creating engaging, educational content that illustrates the great – and sometimes complicated – history of our country. Our videos help explain how the government works, and highlight the moral principles it was founded on. Not surprisingly, the Left hates that. They want America’s history erased and rewritten. In their twisted new American story, conservatives and people of faith will be the villains. Talk about brainwashing. We cannot allow America to become a dystopian socialist nightmare. Children are the future of our nation. They need to know the truth. Watch the video with your kids and grandkids.
The Constitutional Convention discusses presidential selection
- by Tara Ross - ... Despite these random ideas, two election methods stayed at the forefront of the discussion for much of the Convention: legislative selection (i.e. Congress chooses the President) versus a national, direct popular election.The small states, in particular, worried about a direct election. They were sure that they would be constantly outvoted by the large states.
Roger Sherman of Connecticut believed that the “largest State will have the best chance for the appointment.” Charles Pinckney of South Carolina agreed. “An Election by the people,” he observed, “[is] liable to the most obvious & striking objections. They will be led by a few active & designing men. The most populous States by combining in favor of the same individual will be able to carry their points.”
At one point, another delegate from Delaware admonished the large states rather forcefully. “I do not, gentlemen, trust you,” Gunning Bedford thundered. “If you possess the power, the abuse of it could not be checked; and what then would prevent you from exercising it to our destruction?”
Ultimately, the delegates brokered a compromise. As it operates today, our elections are a blend of democracy (state-level elections among individuals on Election Day) and federalism (an election among the states themselves in the Electoral College vote). Large states have more electoral votes, reflecting their greater populations. But small states are guaranteed a minimum of three votes, no matter what.
The Electoral College has come under attack in recent months. It’s been called archaic, a relic of slavery—and even worse. Some of these allegations are in danger of becoming conventional wisdom, yet nothing could be further from the truth. To the contrary, the delegates had at least one, much bigger concern that summer: How could the needs of large vs. small states be balanced? They took the matter seriously, discussing the issue of presidential selection on 21 separate days at the Constitutional Convention. The matter prompted more than 30 distinct votes.
The Electoral College was created with much thought and great care. If nothing else, the system deserves serious study before it is too casually thrown away by a generation that didn’t first take time to understand it.
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Why the National Popular Vote (NPV) Violates Equal Statehood
Federalism: In the United States, the Constitution grants
certain powers to both the U.S. government and the state governments. These
powers are granted by the Tenth Amendment, which states, “The
powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by
it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Rural Americans would be serfs if we abolished the Electoral College
- By Trent England - Should rural and small-town Americans be reduced to serfdom? The American Founders didn’t think so. This is one reason why they created checks and balances, including the Electoral College. Today that system is threatened by a proposal called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, or NPV.Rural America produces almost all our country’s food, as well as raw materials like metals, cotton and timber. Energy, fossil fuels but also alternatives like wind and solar come mostly from rural areas. In other words, the material inputs of modern life flow out of rural communities and into cities.
Do You Understand the Electoral College? - PragerU Video By
Tara Ross ...The President and Vice President of the United States are not
chosen by a nationwide, popular vote of the American people; rather, they are
chosen by 538 electors. This process is spelled out in the United States
Constitution.
Why didn't the Founders just make it easy, and let the Presidential
candidate with the most votes claim victory? Why did they create, and why do we
continue to need, this Electoral College? The answer is critical to
understanding not only the Electoral College, but also America.
The Founders had no intention of creating a pure majority-rule
democracy. They knew from careful study of history what most have forgotten
today, or never learned: pure democracies do not work. They implode. Democracy
has been colorfully described as two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for
dinner. In a pure democracy, bare majorities can easily tyrannize the rest of a
country. The Founders wanted to avoid this at all costs.
...The Presidential election happens in two phases. The first phase
is purely democratic. We hold 51 popular elections every presidential election
year: one in each state and one in D.C. On Election Day in 2012, you may have
thought you were voting for Barack Obama or Mitt Romney, but you were really
voting for a slate of presidential electors. In Rhode Island, for example, if
you voted for Barack Obama, you voted for the state's four Democratic electors;
if you voted for Mitt Romney you were really voting for the state's four
Republican electors.
Part Two of the election is held in December. And it is this
December election among the states' 538 electors, not the November election,
which officially determines the identity of the next President. At least 270
votes are needed to win.
Why is this so important? Because the system encourages
coalition-building and national campaigning. In order to win, a candidate must
have the support of many different types of voters, from various parts of the
country. Winning only the South or the Midwest is not good enough. You cannot
win 270 electoral votes if only one part of the country is supporting you. But
if winning were only about getting the most votes, a candidate might concentrate
all of his efforts in the biggest cities or the biggest states. Why would that
candidate care about what people in West Virginia or Iowa or Montana think?
...The Electoral College is an
ingenious method of selecting a President for a great, diverse republic such as
our own -- it protects against the tyranny of the majority, encourages coalition
building and discourages voter fraud. Our Founders were proud of it! We can be
too.
Blue States Ready to Subvert Electoral College - The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact means the winner takes all votes. - By Lewis Morris - The weapon of choice in their effort to destroy one of our last vestiges of federalism is the Compact. You may recall that the Compact, which began in 2007, calls on its state signatories to pledge their electoral votes in presidential elections to whichever candidate wins the national popular vote. The Compact goes into effect when there are enough states on board to reach 270 electoral votes. It currently has 181. It’s unlikely to reach the magic number by the 2020 election, but it hopes to be a game changer by 2024. Fortunately, the Compact has pretty much exhausted the pool of true-blue states, making the going tougher for states with split legislatures that are solid red. Republican voters in general don’t have a problem with the Electoral College.
...What would you think as a voter if the majority of your state voted for one candidate, but the state decided that, since the other candidate won the national vote, your vote was being awarded to someone you did not support? You wouldn’t feel like your vote mattered, that’s for sure. If anything, 2016 proves that we do need an Electoral College. Clinton almost had it locked up by campaigning in only a handful of urban areas — mostly the big blue vote buckets like LA, NYC, Chicago, and San Francisco. None of this can be explained to leftists, though. They cannot win in the arena of ideas, so they want to change the rules of the game. So far, they have been very clever about exploiting the so-called problems of the Electoral College. The first thing to remember is that there is no problem with the Electoral College. Except if you are a Democrat who can only win by pitting segments of the nation against one another.
- by Jeff Jacoby ...Critics of the Electoral College denounce it as undemocratic — but what could be less democratic than state legislatures deliberately nullifying the choice of a majority of their state’s voters? For a nation like ours — ideologically quarrelsome, geographically vast, socially diverse — the advantages of the Electoral College far outweigh its drawbacks. It guarantees that no one can become president without demonstrating an appeal that crosses state, regional, and communal lines.
...Above all, it balances federalism with democracy: It preserves the central role of the states in American life without sacrificing the principle of one-person, one-vote. With good reason, Alexander Hamilton pronounced the Electoral College system an “excellent” arrangement. With good reason it has endured for 225 years. Presidents come and presidents go, but the Constitution’s system for choosing them is here to stay.
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John Michael Saraceno: This is one of the best cases for the Electoral College... So easy a progressive can understand!
For all the people who fell asleep in civics class...
1: There are 3,141 counties in the United States. Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.
2: There are 62 counties in New York State. Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16.
3: Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5 million votes.
4: In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond) Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.
5: These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles. The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles.
6: When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t &
shouldn’t speak for the rest of the country.
And this children is WHY you have an Electoral College. It's a safety net so
that EVERYONE's vote counts.
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Why the Electoral College prevents the Tyranny of the Majority

Exodus 18:17-27 is the basic foundation of our Republic and its premise of how representative Republic is framed. The Electoral College was designed to keep this foundation from being undermined by preventing parts of the country being tyrannical over the other parts.
Exodus 18:17-27 (BBE) - And Moses' father-in-law said to him, What you are doing is not good. Your strength and that of the people will be completely used up: this work is more than you are able to do by yourself. Give ear now to my suggestion, and may God be with you: you are to be the people's representative before God, taking their causes to him: Teaching them his rules and his laws, guiding them in the way they have to go, and making clear to them the work they have to do. But for the rest, take from among the people able men, such as have the fear of God, true men hating profits wrongly made; and put such men over them, to be captains of thousands, captains of hundreds and of fifties and of tens; And let them be judges in the causes of the people at all times: and let them put before you all important questions, but in small things let them give decisions themselves: in this way, it will be less hard for you, and they will take the weight off you. If you do this, and God gives approval, then you will be able to go on without weariness, and all this people will go to their tents in peace. So Moses took note of the words of his father-in-law, and did as he had said. And he made selection of able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, captains of thousands, captains of hundreds and of fifties and of tens. And they were judges in the causes of the people at all times: the hard questions they put before Moses; but on every small point they gave decisions themselves. And Moses let his father-in-law go away, and he went back to his land.
The Hijacking of a Presidential Election - By Jon N. Hall - ...Because Trump didn’t get any electoral votes in California and New York,
when we subtract the electoral votes of those two states, Clinton won just 143
electoral votes in the rest of the nation while Trump’s electoral total remains
unchanged at 304. In the Electoral College, which is what we use to elect our
presidents, Trump beats Clinton by more than 2-to-1 when California and New York
are excluded. Even if the votes of the seven faithless electors were given to
Clinton, Trump would still have trounced Clinton by more than 2-1 in the 48
states of “real America.”
It takes a bare minimum of 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. Had Clinton received all 46 electoral votes in the blue wall states of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, she would have gotten 273 electoral votes. She then could afford to lose only the least populous of those three states, Wisconsin, and still prevail, but only if she were also awarded all seven votes of the faithless electors. In which case, Clinton would have won with a grand total of 270 electoral votes.
...Some progressives think we should junk the Electoral College and elect presidents with the popular vote. Other progressives think we should rejigger the College and allocate its votes in a way that is closer to the popular vote. But if one believes in federalism, the above data argues just the opposite. We can’t have the preferences of two populous coastal states being imposed on the other 48 states merely because they have some tiny majority. That’s especially so when those two states are so very different from the rest of the country. Let California have its tent cities, its free healthcare for illegal aliens, and its San Francisco values, but leave us “hicks” in the heartland alone.
Given the above, I think we can say that in 2016 the Electoral College worked as intended, and that America got the correct president, the one she needed. Even so, the electoral vote is derived from the popular vote, so there’s still the nagging little question of what the legitimate popular vote count really was.
Preventing 'The Tyranny of the Majority' - By Edwin J. Feulner ...Being a republic, we also don’t pick our president through a direct, majority-take-all vote. We have an Electoral College. And a lot of liberals don’t like that. Their attacks on the College are nothing new, but the defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016 renewed their fury. After all, as they never tire of pointing out, Mrs. Clinton captured more of the popular vote than Donald Trump did. They see the Electoral College as an impediment to their political victories, therefore it’s got to go.
...Were it not for the Electoral College, presidential candidates could act as if many Americans don’t even exist. They could simply campaign in a small handful of states with big populations. Who would care what the people in Iowa think? Or Wyoming? Or any number of other states with smaller populations? The people in “flyover country” don’t get enough attention as it is, but without the Electoral College, they’d be completely at the mercy of the majority.
No, the Electoral College Is Not a ‘Shadow of Slavery’s Power’
- by Tara Ross - The
discussions at the Constitutional Convention were shaped more by the delegates’
study of history and political philosophy, as well as their own experiences with
Parliament and the state legislatures. They wanted to avoid the mistakes that
had been made in other governments. They sought to establish a better
constitution that would stand the test of time.
...The delegates were discussing separation of powers. Slavery was
not their focus. Indeed, the debates about the presidential election process
never focused on slavery. Instead, the delegates discussed whether legislative
selection or a national popular vote was preferable. The division was between
large and small states, not between slave and free states.
Some of the larger states had slaves, some did not. Some of the
smaller states had slaves, some did not. All of the small states, however—slave
and free—were worried about the dangers of a simple national popular vote. As
slavery opponent Gunning Bedford of Delaware had said so eloquently, the small
states simply feared that they would be outvoted by the large states time and
time again.
The Electoral College had everything to do with balancing power
between large and small states in America’s new experiment in self-governance.
It had nothing to do with slavery. What an inconvenient truth for those who
would like to eliminate the system.
Excerpts from “The
Indispensable Electoral College: How the Founders’ Plan Saves Our Country from
Mob Rule” (Regnery Gateway, 2017).
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